Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  John Michno, 102717,344		Wednesday, October 18, 1995 1:01:19 PM
From:  Todd M. Reasland, 102723,2117	#318469

John,
WRKS was playing the thype of Urban you mention...and is doing MUCH better, 
now, with its Urban-Oldies thing.  There's still WBLS.  But the Urban-Crossover 
(CHR/Urban) stations aren't necessarily doing as well, on the whole, as a few 
years ago, and there's generally only room for one in a market (notable 
exception:  San Francisco).

There's also the question of which demographic groups are selling, and which 
aren't.  Perhaps Hot 97 has that demographic so well sewn up that it doesn't pay 
to play second fiddle.  The Alternative/Modern Rock crossover stations appeal to, 
as you mention, the suburban, and possibly more affluent (note that I'm saying 
MORE affluent, not th=at they're _THAT_ affluent...) demographic.

In other words, follow the money.
Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  Todd M. Reasland, 102723,2117	Wednesday, October 18, 1995 3:46:21 PM
From:  John Michno, 102717,344		#318501

Todd,
Well it's quite sad that radio has gone urban/suburban. What's gonna happen 
next? TV is going to have news for suburbs while others have news for urban.? 
This indicates a social split. It's more important than music. It's about the 
ignorance that suburbanites hold toward urban dwellers. I guess people are 
much more tied together on the east end of Long Island and in other areas, other 
than the NYC metro area. In other areas, people can listen to one station that 
plays all kinds of music. But not here in the NYC metro market. Yes, it looks like 
demographics are what these stations in NYC use. I just don't know why variety 
&/top40 stations do so much better in other areas.

John M
Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  John Michno, 102717,344		Thursday, October 19, 1995 1:03:26 PM
From:  Todd M. Reasland, 102723,2117	#318730

Don't know that the musical/social split is anything more than people listening to 
what they're most comfortable with.

Remember:  to most people, the radio is an appliance.  Period.  Turn it on, feel 
better/hear the news/whatever the purpose was for turning it on.

And, let's face it:  most people aren't interested in getting educated on the tastes 
of other people, races, etc....they just want what they want!  Are they being 
narrowminded?  If so, then don't radio station programmers have to be?  
(Remember:  it's their job to attract as large an audience as possible, not be 
educators and music ambassadors.)

Thoughts.
Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  Todd M. Reasland, 102723,2117	Thursday, October 19, 1995 9:09:25 PM
From:  John Michno, 102717,344		#318825

Hi Todd,
Yes, what you're saying may  be so, but only in the NY metro area. Remember, 
that stations such as K104 play a variety of today's best music. But the NYC area 
demographics are unusual, and remind me of LA's demographic setup. And yes, 
most people here on Long Island aren't intersted in the tastes of other people. 
And this perhaps does make the current radio setup work.But remember the 
many other areas in the country that radio stations do play variety. Musical tastes 
tell alot about a person. Most people who listen to Z100 love grunge and 
probably can't stand rap or R&B, soft rock, etc. If they don't like rap, than they 
probably won't like urban clothes either. And if they don't like urban clothes they 
probably won't like the "urban" areas either. That means that they won't like the 
people there either. It's a domino effect. Z100 has a promo that says "the station 
you won't be ashamed to have on at a stoplight". So one day a few months ago, 
when stopped at a stoplight, a bunch of teens who were playing grunge in their 
car yelled at me, because I had mix 105 on. Cmon, it's not just music, it is an 
attitude. And yes, perhaps the attitude of New Yorkers shapes the way the radio 
is. But this attitude isn't everywhere. 

John M
Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  John Michno, 102717,344		Friday, October 20, 1995 1:34:05 AM
From:  Todd M. Reasland, 102723,2117	#318876

Ah, but K104 can't AFFORD (like many stations not in the huge markets) to cater 
to a target demographic.  You'll always see a popular-music station in areas 
where one CAN attempt to serve the needs of multiple niches.

but in NYC, for example, there are choices one can make for what one feels like 
hearing.  Want hip-hop?  Hot 97.  Oldies?  CBS-FM.  And so on.  Try to play too 
big a variety there, and you'll end up pissing EVERYBODY off, because you'll play 
something somebody doesn't want to sit through, and they'll be gone.  Michael 
Bolton, Coolio, and Primus are each popular in their own realm, but how many 
people want to hear "Soul Provider," "Gangsta's Paradise," and "Wynonna's Big 
Brown Beaver" at the same time?
Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  Todd M. Reasland, 102723,2117	Friday, October 20, 1995 3:01:07 AM
From:  John Michno, 102717,344		#318894

Obviously that is the case. I guess I need to get a roof antenna and point it east 
toward WBEA Beach radio 104.7.

John M
Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  John Michno, 102717,344		Friday, October 20, 1995 9:51:18 AM
From:  Todd M. Reasland, 102723,2117	#318941

Hey, it's tough to please everybody.

Of course, the cable companies think they'll be able to, with their 
bazillion-channel digital music services.  Of course, it's hard to take your cable 
out the front door with you...
Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  Todd M. Reasland, 102723,2117	Friday, October 20, 1995 4:43:22 PM
From:  John Michno, 102717,344		#319055

Hi Todd,
Yes, I realize it is tough to please everybody. Radio is a business, obviosly most 
people here have expressed their concerns about NYC's lack of variety radio as 
a practical business. But I still think there are too many grunge stations in NYC. 
Maybe there should be more R&B dance stations. I just don't see the practicality 
to have 4 grunge stations. A few are enough. As I said before, grunge listeners 
are ONLY a segment of the population. There are groups of people who like R&B 
and dance music, in fact they probably are probably just as large as the grunge 
group. But they have less of a choice than the grunge music audience, that's all I 
am trying to say. 

John M
Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  John Michno, 102717,344		Saturday, October 21, 1995 6:03:03 AM
From:  Todd M. Reasland, 102723,2117	#319189

Re:  Grunge:  don't worry...this, too, shall pass.

Heard new's numbers weren't too good...granted, they'll give it a few more books, 
but maybe they'll end up switching to something else...the next new fad...etc.
Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  Todd M. Reasland, 102723,2117	Sunday, October 22, 1995 2:38:13 AM
From:  Paul Mount, 72212,441		#319352

WNEW's not the type to desperately switch for ratings.  Of course I think
they should have changed format when the core 'alternative artists' were
Blondie, Elvis Costello, XTC, ie in 1979...
Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  Todd M. Reasland, 102723,2117	Friday, October 20, 1995 8:57:07 PM
From:  Bob Simonson - WMUS, 73142,2327	#319103

>>>>>with their bazillion-channel digital music services.  Of course, it's hard to 
take your cable out the front door with you...<<<

Good tape, good tape deck.......Good car stereo......Done deal.

I've said it before, in my market, #67, I rarely listen to the radio because of poor 
talent/programming.  I listen to my own station to keep up as to what their doing.  
The exception is talk radio.  I listen to Imus in tha AM and Gary Burbank when I 
can in the afternoon on an AM'er here.  Other than that, the market is boring.

S 
Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  Bob Simonson - WMUS, 73142,2327	Saturday, October 21, 1995 6:21:18 AM
From:  Todd M. Reasland, 102723,2117	#319190

I know what you mean...and, I was bummed, while I was living in Findlay, Ohio, 
and 3WE/Cleveland dropped the I-man!

Used to listen to him on WFAN, when I lived on the beach in North Carolina, 
every morning!
Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  Dana Lundon, 74347,3473		Wednesday, October 18, 1995 3:46:19 PM
From:  John Michno, 102717,344		#318500

Hi Dana,
I don't think there should be 3 top 40 stations in NYC. But there should be at 
least one.
Lets lake Real McCoy, for example. You never hear them on any of the stations in 
NYC. Hot 97 doesn't play them because they are too disco for that station. Z100 
won't play them because they aren't grunge. And all the MIX stations(MIX105) 
won't play them because they are too fast. But K104 plays them. And so does 
Beach radio 104.7. And a 100 watt school station in Brentwood plays them. But 
with 20 NYC stations, there is not one that will play Real McCoy. The problem 
with Mix105 is that they don't play Real McCoy type music. Lately they're variety 
has improved, they have added some modern rock to the format. But they 
constantly pick on disco-type songs in their promos. Mix105 wants a suburban 
listership. You see, that's what makes beach 104.7 special. They play new 
songs by Real McCoy, REM, Aaron Neville, Bruce Hornsby, etc. Along with 80s. 
It's also bad that KISSFM and WBLS took away new R&B, and went mostly 
oldies. 
I still think there should be at least one Top40 station in NYC.

John M
Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  John Michno, 102717,344		Thursday, October 19, 1995 5:19:09 AM
From:  Mike McCann, 74241,3116		#318649

Top 40 is no longer one "broad-based" universal format.  There is not just one 
concensus blend of songs these days, certainly not when compared to Top 40 
heydays of the early 80s [Z100, WPLJ] and the 60s [WABC, WMCA]. Heck even in 
their so-called "years of decline" in the late 70s, WABC was still #1 in cume.

The times HAVE changed at least in NY/NJ/CT
Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  Mike McCann, 74241,3116		Thursday, October 19, 1995 9:09:22 PM
From:  John Michno, 102717,344		#318824

Mike,
Well I guess the times have changed, here in the NYC metro area at least. It in 
my opinion is a decline in radio quality. But I remember the 80s, it seemed that 
the radio dial had so much more to offer. Now it is mostly grunge, it seems the 
grunge is everywhere. As I said before, these are the area stations that play 
grunge:
WHTZ 100.3
WDRE 92.7
Q104.3
WNEW 102.7

Hmmmmm...... There are more grunge stations in the NYC area than MIX 
stations. MIX 105, WPLJ, and the new 93.1 WPAT. grunge is one of the most 
popular radio formats around here. Long Island does have 2 MIX stations, WBLI 
and WALK. Of course there's the east end, which has a totally different 
world(better) market with a true MIX of music on Beach radio 104.7. So when you 
isolate NYC radio stations, there really is a major dominince of grunge, not R&B, 
in the market. NYC has no rock variety stations either. WNEW used to play old 
rock and new rock, but now they have changed. A few months ago they went 
grunge also. Is there really a need for 4 grunge stations. Why do these stations 
duplicate themselves? There will be over-competition if this continues. That's 
where the NEW variety format comes in. How about WPLJ adding more new 
music to it's mix? How about MIX 105 playing more R&B and dance. In my 
opinion, lots of people I know are fed up with the radio here. They want a change. 
Of course the spoiled grungers love it, but grungers aren't everybody. If fact, I 
think there are faults in demographics marketing. It does work well in areas like 
NYC, where there is HUGE cultural separation between the suburbs and the city. 
But I don't think it works in other cities and in rural areas, mainly because the 
suburban factor isn't there. 
I never heard a radio dial as bad as NYC's. This is the new trend in NYC radio, 
but I do think the attitude of New Yorkers does play a major role in the radio, and 
mainly, this attitude is displayed by the suburban listers who don't want to deal 
with the city(or the people there) and it's associated arts(music). It's sad, but the 
radio here appears to be geared on two factors, age and race. Grunge stations' 
listeners are mainly white, 12-25, and live in the suburbs. While middle aged 
whites in the suburbs listen to MIX stations. And most R&B listeners are black 
and live in the city. But this is what gets me..... Why are there more white oriented 
stations in NYC than black oriented stations. Why do white teenagers in the 
suburbs have more(grunge) stations to listen to than black teenagers do in NYC. 
Look, there are 4 grunge stations: Z100, WDRE, WNEW, and Q104.3 but only 
one R&B station Hot97 that plays new music. Is radio here also racist as well? 
NYC radio preffers white listeners intead of black listeners. I never thought 
stations would be so biased. There are less stations for people in the city to 
listen to now. This is the new trend? More for the suburban whites and less for 
the inner city blacks. This is definately WRONG. Well than again, govt is going 
right-wing. Scary isn't it?

John M
Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  John Michno, 102717,344		Friday, October 20, 1995 12:44:07 PM
From:  Tom Bosscher CSN & WCSG, 102102,2034#318987

       John, are you for real? How can a station be biased and racist by the music 
they play? The music director doesn't sit in her/his office and say, "hey , this song 
is for the white red-necks". Be careful of labeling folks from one culture liking only 
one type of music. Plenty of ol white boys listen to rap, and I know of many 
african-americans who listen to country.
       Last I checked, our government allows any station to play anything. If you 
have a problem with what one or a group of station play, you can:
       1. Not listen
       2. Listen to and support a station of your choice.
       3. Buy a station. Hey, everyones a programmer...


Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  Tom Bosscher CSN & WCSG, 102102,2034Friday, October 20, 1995 4:42:31 PM
From:  John Michno, 102717,344		#319052

Hi Tom,
No I don't think programmers go to that extreme, but I think they do use race as a 
target. If stations want to make money, they will target a demographic group such 
as Z100 has done. I think that there are people who listen to music of other 
cultures-I am one of them. All I am trying to say is a majority of teenagers in the 
suburbs listen to grunge, not all of them, vice-versa. 

John M
Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  Sabomedia, 102404,2561		Saturday, October 21, 1995 1:40:03 AM
From:  John Michno, 102717,344		#319167

Guess you like the trend in radio. Can't get enough of that grunge! .......

X-107, Z100, WDRE, Q104.3...... they all sound the same to me...

John M
Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  John Michno, 102717,344		Saturday, October 21, 1995 9:14:06 AM
From:  Sabomedia, 102404,2561		#319205

>>> Guess you like the trend in radio. Can't get enough of that grunge! .......

X-107, Z100, WDRE, Q104.3...... they all sound the same to me... <<< Welcome 
Dad.  Yes my Dad thought all the rock n roll of the '60s sounded the same. How 
about ur dad?
Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  Mike McCann, 74241,3116		Monday, October 23, 1995 6:05:01 AM
From:  Aaron Dickey, 103122,772		#319553

>>There is not just one concensus blend of songs these days, certainly not 
when compared to Top 40 heydays of the early 80s [Z100, WPLJ] and the 60s 
[WABC, WMCA].<<

I don't suppose you see another such heyday down the pike, do you? 
............anywhere?

--Aaron, disillusioned
Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  Aaron Dickey, 103122,772		Monday, October 23, 1995 6:25:07 AM
From:  Mike McCann, 74241,3116		#319558

>>There is not just one concensus blend of songs these days, certainly not 
when compared to Top 40 heydays of the early 80s [Z100, WPLJ] and the 60s 
[WABC, WMCA].<<

I don't suppose you see another such heyday down the pike, do you? 
............anywhere?

--Aaron, disillusioned

Re: another heyday?

Probably not... rock/contemporary/soul music has split into more and more 
factions... making it harder to find much that a cross section of folks can agree 
on. Get past Elton John Hootie and the Blowfish and what else out today has 
broad appeal?  And besides what's to say that H&B won't get as stale as Huey 
Lewis and the News?

Rock in the 50s was 1 format... by the mid 90s its a dozen, all with somewhat of 
a connection to "Maybelline", "Rock Around the Clock", or "Still of the Night"
Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  Aaron Dickey, 103122,772		Monday, October 23, 1995 6:25:07 AM
From:  Mike McCann, 74241,3116		#319558

>>There is not just one concensus blend of songs these days, certainly not 
when compared to Top 40 heydays of the early 80s [Z100, WPLJ] and the 60s 
[WABC, WMCA].<<

I don't suppose you see another such heyday down the pike, do you? 
............anywhere?

--Aaron, disillusioned

Re: another heyday?

Probably not... rock/contemporary/soul music has split into more and more 
factions... making it harder to find much that a cross section of folks can agree 
on. Get past Elton John Hootie and the Blowfish and what else out today has 
broad appeal?  And besides what's to say that H&B won't get as stale as Huey 
Lewis and the News?

Rock in the 50s was 1 format... by the mid 90s its a dozen, all with somewhat of 
a connection to "Maybelline", "Rock Around the Clock", or "Still of the Night"
Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  Mike McCann, 74241,3116		Monday, October 23, 1995 5:23:15 PM
From:  David Blair, 72113,3026		#319657

 >  won't get as stale as Huey Lewis and the News?

Big difference is Darius Rucker has a good voice!

You missed a fun game here yesterday- last one at Busch.

What do you think about the Cards' signing up with LaRussa. Hey- enjoy those 
Mets games!

(How's the adjustment to morning drive going? I have something for your wife to 
fix the PC...)

Hmmm... guess if this had been a break on the air, the PD would have been all 
over me for content, huh?


Subj:  Z100 etc.			Section: Radio
  To:  John Michno, 102717,344		Friday, October 20, 1995 1:26:24 AM
From:  Paul Mount, 72212,441		#318871

Z100 played Real McCoy until it didn't make sense to play them - Another
Night and Runaway were a year old and their newer songs weren't becoming
big hits.  What % grunge is Z100 today? (at last count it was 90 - grin)

Besides, everyone who wants to hear a real variety of stuff tunes around just
like you do, though maybe without the knowledge that you have of precisely
which station you're getting at 104.7, etc.
Subj:  Z100 sucks!!			Section: Radio
  To:  All				Monday, October 16, 1995 11:23:07 PM
From:  John Michno, 102717,344		#318113

There is a station in the NYC area that claims they play today's best music. It is 
Z100
WHTZ 100.3. But the truth is, that all they play is that grunge. In fact, when you 
look at the local top 25, Z100 only plays a small fraction of it. So where do they 
get off saying they play today's best music? Well, welcome to the world of New 
York City radio. The grungers on Long Island contol the radio. New York City has 
4 alternative music stations, Z100, Q104.3, WNEW 102.7, and 
WDRE(underground network). So if you want to hear new music, those are the 
only stations that will play it. All the other stations just play soft rock and oldies. 
How about a format of 80s, 90s, and a variety of today's music. For instance, 
Coolio's Gangtas Paradise was never played on Z100, even though it was 
number 1 for a few weeks. Only Hot 97 plays today's R&B and dance music. You 
think NYC would have a lot of stations like Hot 97, well think again!
So where is one to go to hear a mix of todays music and music from the 80s? 
East!
There is a great radio station out in Amagansett. It's Beach Radio 104.7 WBEA. 
unfortunately, I live on western Long Island, so I can't recieve them all the time. 
But I go to extremes to try to get in WBEA, I have an antenna setup by my east 
window. One things for sure, I have to hand it to the fine folks at WBEA, they really 
know variety. They are the only station that would play Real McCoy, REM, Elton 
John, and Huey Lewis & the News, all in the same hour! Beach Radio 104.7 
really knows how to play all kinds of music for all kinds of people, and most 
stations in New York, could learn a lesson from them. WBEA definately plays the 
best variety, in fact, by doing that, they show that eveybody should get along and 
listen to different kinds of music and have an open mind. As far as Z100 goes, 
they are the most disgusting and offensive radio station I have ever heard. What 
is said in Love Phones doesn't belong on the airwaves. And Z100 plays songs 
like Closer, by Nine Inch Nails, which should in my opinion, never see the light of 
day! It is time this grunge garbage should be off the radio. It is not today's best 
music, it is todays worst garbage! Z100 sounds like they come from a trash can. 
And perhaps they will be put in there, the day they cease to exist. 

Keep the great job up at Beach Radio 104.7 WBEA!

John M
Subj:  Z100 sucks!!			Section: Radio
  To:  John Michno, 102717,344		Tuesday, October 17, 1995 6:38:00 AM
From:  Bob Simonson - WMUS, 73142,2327	#318170

John,

You in the business or just a disgruntled listener and/or artist?

Simo  
Subj:  Z100 sucks!!			Section: Radio
  To:  John Michno, 102717,344		Tuesday, October 17, 1995 11:03:13 PM
From:  Bob Simonson - WMUS, 73142,2327	#318349

Fair enough.

Remember, it's a business, not a artform.  Radio's number one goal is to make 
money.  Which if your the owner great. If your an artist, it sucks.  If your 
disgruntled listener, you buy a station, ;-)


S

  
Subj:  Z100 sucks!!			Section: Radio
  To:  John Michno, 102717,344		Friday, October 20, 1995 12:17:09 AM
From:  David Tanny, 71041,2311		#318855

re:No I am not in the business. But I have interests in radio and broadcasting. I 
guess you have call me an intersted but discouraged listener. 

join the club :)



d.t.
Subj:  Z100 sucks!!			Section: Radio
  To:  John Michno, 102717,344		Tuesday, October 17, 1995 11:18:09 AM
From:  Paul Mount, 72212,441		#318199

Didn't we read this exact same posting about 4 months ago? But, if you would 
like
a discussion, since there was a lot more to it than one line, here's another 
observer point of view:  "Today's best
music" is just a slogan that a devout Z100 listener would agree with; just as a 
devout WPLJ listener would agree that 95.5 plays "the best songs on the radio"
Z100 isn't all grunge; although (IMHO as a modern rock fan before grunge ever 
was heard on mainstream CHR) their playing Janet and Michael Jackson and 
Mariah Carey doesn't make it better despite making for more variety....uh oh, here 
comes a Mix 105 positioner.  

So, did Beach 104 play Coolio SINCE it was #1 (#1 where?)

Many students of the radio business will say that CHR's success is cyclical and 
that we are in a down trend, at which time the Hits stations fragment into specific
format directions, as you have observed.  At other times when playing all the
hits is THE thing to do, you'll have 2,3, even 4 stations playing the hits 
(remember
1984 when Z100, WPLJ, WAPP, and WKTU were all top 40?)

So don't put all the blame on Z100.  It is interesting though, that you brought this
up, if we can have an intelligent discussion (contrasted to the Stern/mancow 
stuff)
about this...as such discussions are more often seen on AOL in this vein.
Subj:  Z100 sucks!!			Section: Radio
  To:  Paul Mount, 72212,441		Tuesday, October 17, 1995 6:21:06 PM
From:  John Michno, 102717,344		#318272

Hi Paul,
No, Z100 is not the only station that plays this modern rock. WDRE and Q104.3 
also play it. I don't dislike all modern rock, in fact I like quite a few groups(REM, 
Cranberries, Toad the Wet Sprocket, etc). What I find offensive are some groups 
that have disgusting lyrics in their songs, like Nine Inch Nails for example. That 
stuff shouldn't be played on the radio. And if I want to hear a mix of today's music, 
I have to sit through many songs like that. When I get ducting, and hear stations 
from Atlantic CIty, or Connecticut, those stations (WAYV, WKCI) play an equal 
variety of todays music. Lets take K104 in Poughkeepsie, for example. They play 
about 50% R&B and 50% modern rock. In other areas, radio stations play a mix 
of music. But in New York, the "so called" cultural melting pot, the only radio 
stations that play new music(WHTZ, WDRE, Q104.3) play 90% modern 
rock/grunge. There is only one station (hot97) that plays todays soul, dance, and 
R&B music. It seems like NYC radio is racially geared toward whites. The MIX 
stations rarely play R&B music, but yet seem to play alternative artists (Allanis 
Morrisette, Gin Blossims, etc). And the problem with PLJ is they play too many 
oldies. So out of the 20 or so NYC radio stations, only 1 plays new R&B, dance, 
and reggae, which is Hot97. Stations in NYC gear themselves for a suburban 
audience, while turning their back on what's next door. I've heard stations in 
Philadelphia, like Star 104.5, R&B station 105.3 WDAS. Of course, there Boss 97 
in southern NJ, which plays R&B and Dance. What ever happened to the "urban 
accent"? It's gone in NYC. WBLI is another example of a MIX station that needs a 
lot of improvement. WBLI doesn't play enough new music, for example, they wont 
play REM, but they will play Alannis Morrisette. Yes, Beach 104.7 does play 
Alannis, but they also play REM, Collective Soul and Live, just to name a few of 
the GOOD modern rockers out there. Beach radio 104.7 is a very special MIX 
station, because they play soft rock, 80s, alternative, and R&B/Dance music. 
They even play a little bit of Reggae. No, I don't like it that new music has taken 
different directions here. It would be nice just to have a few top 40 stations in 
NYC. Z100 should add R&B, dance, and reggae music to their format. And WPLJ 
should kick the oldies. A good example of a top 40 station would be K-104 which 
plays ALL KINDS of new music. What's happening to NYC radio disturbs me 
because it represents a declining social trend, people are moving away from 
each other and picking on differences, instead of showing tolorance and trying to 
get along and coming together. No, I didn't hear Beach 104.7 play Coolio, but I 
can't get them in all the time either. But as I said before, Beach Radio 104.7 is 
the only station I have ever heard, that almost never plays a song I don't like. 
Beach 104.7 WBEA has a nice radio atmosphere, I visited their studios once and 
I fell in love with it. It's like a station out in the country, everybody is extra-friendly. 
Beach Radio 104.7 is the ONLY station that plays the best variety of music from 
the 80s &90s and then some (in my opinion). 

John M
Subj:  Z100 sucks!!			Section: Radio
  To:  John Michno, 102717,344		Wednesday, October 18, 1995 12:55:24 AM
From:  Paul Mount, 72212,441		#318373

Well, I'm glad that I've got you down to 90% grunge in your description of Z100,
from "all."  Interesting description of what all the stations are doing, though most
of them are making money (oops there's that term again) doing what they are
doing and "don't need to change."  I would contest whether Hot 97 is playing
dance music...certainly the "Euro-dance" that they played in the 80s 
(synthesizers,
female vocalist and male rappers) is missing from the station, and they are one
station that is not programming for the suburbs, at least not here...I think of
them as targetting men 12-24 in the five boroughs although being #1 this book
they are surely reaching more than that in both demographics and geographics.

At this rate, you could have termed the message "lots of stations suck" but
given that Z100 is your primary target AND there is some Z100 presence here
(hmm is Human Numan still with the station now that Cane is on nights?) it
draws a lot more attention than "wbli sucks" or "wbea doesn't suck."
Subj:  Z100 sucks!!			Section: Radio
  To:  John Michno, 102717,344		Wednesday, October 18, 1995 8:08:08 AM
From:  Dana Lundon, 74347,3473		#318421

John, I have to jump in here.  

In the days when there were not as mnay radio signals in markets, there could 
be a couple or more stations playing Top 40.  Now, there are more than triple the 
signals in markets like NYC.  PLus the fact there are crossover signals. With all 
this in mind, there is not the room for more than one station to plays hits of the 
Top 40.  I wouldn't call HOT 97 a traditional Top 40 nor would I consider Z100 a 
traditional Top 40, etc.  They have to find their niche and try to get ratings in their 
desired demographics to sell airtime to make money.  Remember, that is the 
unltimate goal-it's a business.  If you don't think radio is a business, then you 
need to examine how much you want to be in radio.  If Z100 was a traditional Top 
40 and so was HOT 97 and so was WPLJ, no one would have any ratings and 
no one would make any money.  People have to stop living in the way things 
used to be.  
I live in Madison, WI and am the APD/MD/PM Drive personality her at a traditonal 
Top 40.  But I have no direct format competitor.  If I did or ever do, I may have to 
find the needed niche and move that way.  Everything is niched-magazines, 
cable TV, fast food, clothing, etc.  It's all in who you want to listen to your station.  
(BTW-before anyone discredits where I work because of market size-I have 
worked in Chicago at B96-a niched station-and in Milwaukee at WLUM when it 
was HOT 102 and we beat WKTI with a 9.5.  We were also niched as one of the 
original crossover stations.)
It's the way of the future.  Obviously Z100 doesn't want you (not personally, bt your 
tastes) as a listener and they won't be able to please you in what they're doing.  
No one says you have to listen to them-so if HOT 97 is more your taste-great.  If 
not-K104 is, etc.  BTW-I was in NYC this past weekend and heard radio there 
and it's a little bit of everything and I think that's cool.  You can turn on anyone and 
hear just about everything.  KISS 98.7 sounds great too.  I also went to Z100's 
show with Tripping Daisy and the Presidents of the U.S.A.  Good crowd!  They 
had fun and Kingston was smiling.  Anyway-I love debating radio so thanks for 
the yak space.

Dana Lundon
Subj:  Z100 sucks!!			Section: Radio
  To:  John Michno, 102717,344		Tuesday, October 17, 1995 11:23:04 AM
From:  Marty Schwartz, 75361,2171	#318201

>But the truth is, that all they play is that grunge. In fact, when you
>look at the local top 25, Z100 only plays a small fraction of it. So
>where do they get off saying they play today's best music?

Since when was anyone's Top 25 a good indicator of today's best music? To me 
it's only an indicator of what the record companies or someone in the industry 
WANTS to be the best music.

>For instance, Coolio's Gangtas Paradise was never played on Z100, even
>though it was number 1 for a few weeks.

Whoop-ti-doo...I for one wouldn't want to have to endure this drivel (MHO) on the 
station I'm listening to. I'm not alone on this. And I'm sure you're not alone on 
your stance, but..."today's best new music" means something totally different to 
each and every person. If what Z100 plays does not fit your definition of "today's 
best music," then don't listen (you may find this amazing, but people actually like 
NIN -- I am one of them).

An eclectic mix works well in some formats (like AAA or college) -- it also worked 
better 20-30 years ago -- but today there are so many genres of music, that 
specialization (filling a niche) is the key, particularly in a market like NYC.

later,
marty
Subj:  Z100 sucks!!			Section: Radio
  To:  Marty Schwartz, 75361,2171	Tuesday, October 17, 1995 6:21:08 PM
From:  John Michno, 102717,344		#318273

Hi Marty,
I am not saying modern rock isn't popular. But what I am saying is that R&B, and 
dance music is popular also. And that stations in the city gear themselves to the 
surrounding suburbs, turning their back on next door. I bet you most of the 
population in the 5 boroughs of NYC like R&B, dance, and reggae. But they only 
have 1 station for it, Hot 97. But yet the suburbs, like Nassau and Suffolk, are 
much more sparsely populated. And they have 4 modern rock stations from 
NYC(not to mention MIX) as well. I live in Nassau, and I can tell you, grunge is 
everywhere. Yet cross the border into Queens and, the grungers is gone. Yes, 
Nassau and western Suffolk are quite crowded, but the city is more crowded. I 
think the city gets a raw deal from it's radio stations. And as far as modern rock 
goes, yes I like quite a few groups(REM, Goo Goo Dolls, Live, etc), but some 
songs that NIN performs disturb me. But the difference is, that I listen to all kinds 
of new music, soft, rock, alternative, r&b, reggae, dance, etc. It's sad we can't all 
tolorate different styles of music. Everybody has their own opinion, but if you 
believe hard enough, you can campaign and make a change.

John M
Subj:  Z100 sucks!!			Section: Radio
  To:  John Michno, 102717,344		Tuesday, October 17, 1995 3:50:21 PM
From:  Todd M. Reasland, 102723,2117	#318251

John:

Radio course #102:

Radio stations play what their target listeners want to hear.  Z100's target is a 
listener who is into the popular Alternative crossovers of today.  Betcha they 
TESTED Coolio, and it probably didn't do squat for their target, just as Live 
wouldn't be a big turn-on to Hot 97's.
And 'PLJ's target is somewhat (not much, though) older than Z or Hot; chances 
are they, too, test the Coolio's and the Live's that come along, and chances are, 
neither one tests worth a damn, or else they'd play 'em!

Test scores, test scores, test scores.  MUCH better than finding out the hard way 
(Arbitron) that your listeners don't like you!

Doesn't look like Z100's hurting THAT much...
Subj:  Z100 sucks!!			Section: Radio
  To:  Todd M. Reasland, 102723,2117	Tuesday, October 17, 1995 9:49:17 PM
From:  John Michno, 102717,344		#318330

Hi Todd,
Yes, I know radio stations play what their listeners want to hear. But many other 
cities have radio stations that play all kinds of new music, K104 in 
Poughkeepsie, WAYV Atlantic City, Boss97 in South Jersey, and so on. Why not 
NYC? I thought there was a big "urban" influence in NYC. So where's all the R&B 
and dance? Only one station plays todays R&B and dance. That's Hot97. But 
there are 2 other grunge stations besides Z100, Q104.3 and WDRE 92.7. I 
believe that most people who listen to grunge are in the suburbs, while most 
people who listen to R&B type music live in the city. Well then how come there 
aren't more R&B stations in the city? Why do stations in NYC play their music for 
people 20 or so miles away, instead of around the block? Most MIX stations just 
play soft rock and a little alternative, but no R&B. Believe me, if it weren't for all 
their listeners in the suburbs, Z100 would be hurting pretty bad.

John M